it is the gambit that president clinton did in georgia and is doing again in ukraine -- that president putin did in georgia. vladimir putin is trying to have an alternative to western institutions. he signed up russian. he obviously signed up belarus and is pressuring those nearby, but that only works if he has got ukraine, and if he has got ukraine firmly in a russian orbit, and that is what this is all about and why it is so serious. >> do you think in retrospect you were tough enough in the white house? a number of things. we did, as the ministration is doing here, we have a billion dollar aid package for georgia to make sure they could survive economically. the black ship into sea and delivered humanitarian c-130.nce with the whatd a lot in place, but we did not do was economic sanctions. >> is that what they should do now? >> i think so. and we have learned a lot about sanctions from iran. sanctions that excluded iran from the world financial system. andnow how to target oil gas. we have got legislation since 2008, so i think two things. one, i think we should have put in place ec